Curse

Lexar · Apr 09, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Right well we all know hall of monuments didn't turn out to be exactly what we expected but when we heard we could put in our achievements I assumed we could at least put in titles and experience points. But alas, no such thing for the experience points.

But you know, it's kinda lame that you can put in some lame minipet that you can buy for 4k in any random town but you can't leave behind some record of all the experience points that you gathered over the years. There's something very wrong with that concept, right?
Think about it, get 4k, should be possible in an extremely short amount of time, then go to LA1 and spam that you want to buy a minipet for 4k, you should be able to get one real quickly too, all that you could manage in less than an hour, and you would still have more to show for in the HoM than someone who doesn't like minipets but would have clocked literally thousands of hours worth of experience points.

Now I'm sure a lot of people are going to say that experience points are just what you get when you grind and that it would reward people who farm and blablabla, look, I'm sorry but that argument doesn't hold any value considering that all the titles require grind of some kind anyway. For minipets all you have to do is create a character and not delete it for 12 months! WOW what a an incredible achievement! I can clearly see how it is more important to reward that rather than to reward experience points, which is no big deal it's only the heart and soul of any self-respecting RPG.

So anyway, here's the suggestion, we should have a monument where you can record your experience points. (o rly)

Sorry for the sarcasm btw. But come on, when they made HoM but forgot to add EXP points, WHAT were they thinking!?!

"Hey guys we need to make something for those people so they have continuity with their characters in GW2!"

"Great, let's do that! Let's make a hall where they can store achievements to show off in GW2!"

"What a good idea! What should they put in there?"

"Well definately not experience points because that's just silly and doesn't show anything really."

"Yeah let's put in jungle troll minipets instead!!"

"I like your thinking, guys! Now let's operate heavy machinery while being drunk and run around with scizzors!"

"Yay!"

Yeah it must have been something like this.

Richardt · Apr 09, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

/sarcasm
Oh boy! I want an achievment for all those times I spent farming!
/endsarcasm

/notsigned

oracle.delphi · Apr 09, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Lexar

Now let's operate heavy machinery while being drunk and run around with scizzors!"

"Yay!"[/FONT]

is it weird that this sounds like fun to me? should I apply for a job at anet? lol

but seriously i think it would be a good idea...like maybe have some way if you hit a certain point to record that..i don't see it working too well if it was updating everytime you get xp...

Arduin · Apr 09, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

You are seriously suggesting this?

You are saying the Exp monument is viable because it tops the Miniature one, 4k in an hour and such. Farming with HFFF nets you 2,000 Experience every minute! 2,000! Every minute! This monument would be a joke.

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I can clearly see how it is more important to reward that rather than to reward experience points, which is no big deal it's only the heart and soul of any self-respecting RPG.

Yet Experience has nothing to do with GW after you've reached lvl 20, and have lots of skillpoints. Maybe some other game, where you can get 160+ levels, but not this game.

/notsigned, there's really no point in this monument.

Lexar · Apr 09, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I need to quote myself here:

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Now I'm sure a lot of people are going to say that experience points are just what you get when you grind and that it would reward people who farm and blablabla, look, I'm sorry but that argument doesn't hold any value considering that all the titles require grind of some kind anyway.

Look I know you're all free to have your opinion on the matter and you can disagree with me, but then if you say experience points are useless, then at least explain to me why titles are not useless, or at least not as much as experience points. I don't see how minipets that you get for NOT deleting a character over 12 months is more usefull than experience points, but perhaps you can enlighten me and explain that.

belladonna shylock · Apr 09, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

this monument would be no larger of a joke than some of the other monuments that already exist. Examples: Legendary Survivor, the monument for killing shiro, the monument for reaching lvl 20 in pre-searing. they are just fun titles, which truely imo isn't any different from an exp. monument. Might as well add a 3 year character or a 4 year character (in the future) monument to this as well! Based off the monuments which already exist, I say it's a viable monument!

Richardt · Apr 09, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Lexar

ILook I know you're all free to have your opinion on the matter and you can disagree with me, but then if you say experience points are useless, then at least explain to me why titles are not useless, or at least not as much as experience points. I don't see how minipets that you get for NOT deleting a character over 12 months is more usefull than experience points, but perhaps you can enlighten me and explain that.

The reason they added in a monument to minipets is that some people love collecting them. Just like some people like collecting elite armor, giving their heroes elite armor, and earning titles.

To use your logic, why should there be a monument to heroes where to get the vast majority of them, you just play through the storyline? And you can buy most hero armor remnants for the cost of an average minipet.

It's way easier to get XP in GW than it is to farm. And that's saying something.

Skyy High · Apr 09, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Lexar

Look I know you're all free to have your opinion on the matter and you can disagree with me, but then if you say experience points are useless, then at least explain to me why titles are not useless, or at least not as much as experience points. I don't see how minipets that you get for NOT deleting a character over 12 months is more usefull than experience points, but perhaps you can enlighten me and explain that.

Because achieving a title is, well, an achievement, or at least a coherent activity you work towards. Lots of experience points just means you solo farm a lot, and oddly enough, there isn't a "epic number of smite crawlers killed" title.

Lexar · Apr 09, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Just like some people like collecting elite armor, giving their heroes elite armor, and earning titles.

Maybe some people like to get EXP? That's not completely out of the realm of possibility, right?

Proff · Apr 09, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Lexar

I need to quote myself here:

Look I know you're all free to have your opinion on the matter and you can disagree with me, but then if you say experience points are useless, then at least explain to me why titles are not useless, or at least not as much as experience points. I don't see how minipets that you get for NOT deleting a character over 12 months is more usefull than experience points, but perhaps you can enlighten me and explain that.

Titles aren't the same thing as experience points because titles can't be gotten killing level 16's in nm.

Lexar · Apr 09, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

No you're right you can get titles by sitting afk at some spot during holiday events. Much better achievement, you're right.

I have to say I'm a little surprised so little people see this the way I see it. The way I see it: Anet thinks a worthless minipet is more important than any amount of experience points no matter how rediculously high it is.

HawkofStorms · Apr 09, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

/notsigned

A lame disguise attempt at the "experience title." This idea is in the "suggested ideas" thread at the top of Sardelaic that new posters are SUPPOSED to read before posting suggestions.
/close

(Ps: I thought plotline and character development was the key to a successful RPG, not a blue bar that fills up)

Lexar · Apr 09, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

I didn't disguise anything, I just compared it to emphasise how stupid HoM is.

Also don't assume I'm a new poster, or assume to be above the level of this topic by saying it should be closed, that's actually quite condensending and in my opinion just as offensive as me making a possibly borderline redundant topic.

Takeko Nakano · Apr 09, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

It sounds interesting. Personally I think that HoM is completely pointless at the moment. And XP gives you NO BENEFIT whatsoever, apart from some people who go for survivor titles. So it would be nice to see a little something to show that you've done loads of quests and killed lots of monsters, other than Vanquishing (boring).

HawkofStorms · Apr 09, 2008, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Lexar

I didn't disguise anything, I just compared it to emphasise how stupid HoM is.

Also don't assume I'm a new poster, or assume to be above the level of this topic by saying it should be closed, that's actually quite condensending and in my opinion just as offensive as me making a possibly borderline redundant topic.

My point is the entire thread is redunent as this idea has been suggested before and you should read forum rules against doing so.

yakeh · Apr 09, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Imho, that post rocks. If that says anything.

Now to the comments to collegue-posters:

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Originally Posted by Proff

Titles aren't the same thing as experience points because titles can't be gotten killing level 16's in nm.

FAIL. MMMAASSSSSIIIVVVEEE fail. Fail-a-palooza.

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Because achieving a title is, well, an achievement, or at least a coherent activity you work towards. Lots of experience points just means you solo farm a lot, and oddly enough, there isn't a "epic number of smite crawlers killed" title.

Coming from a guy with an IGN of "Taalon Draake", I attach no value to this statement whatsoever. Sue me.

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

Yet Experience has nothing to do with GW after you've reached lvl 20, and have lots of skillpoints. Maybe some other game, where you can get 160+ levels, but not this game.

Wow, what valuable argument. Skills have nothing to do with gw! Good job on that one.
FAIL.

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Originally Posted by Richardt

/sarcasm
Oh boy! I want an achievment for all those times I spent farming!
/endsarcasm

Why not? If you could choose between have an achievement or not, why wouldn't you pick the achievement :/
PH41L

Lexar · Apr 09, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Yes believe it or not I actually understand your point but I don't feel as strongly about it as you do.

Also I did glance over the suggestion index but it didn't say anything about this in the hall of monument suggestions.

Oleg · Apr 10, 2008, 08:40 AM // 08:40

If you put a mini pet in HoM your chars in GW2 will presumably get access to that mini pet in GW2. Pretty straightforward. What would an XP monument unlock?

I don't think an XP monument is any less valid than most, though. It's true you can get 2K xp every minute or two by doing HFFF. There is also a Kurzick monument for doing this. Why not an XP one?

Stating that a monument for farming is stupid is a little pointless. Anyone who has the Deldrimor title has probably spent a lot of time killing snowmen. The same easy dungeon again and again. That sounds a lot like farming to me and it has a monument for it.

The problem with an XP monument is that it is too vague. Someone could make the same amount of XP using a few tomes and 55ing not far past LA as earning the Legendary Guardian title. XP is an indication of effort, but not effort focussed to anything specific. It doesn't link directly to anything. HFFF links to the Kurzicks, Deldrimor to dwarves, Survivor to being really really careful. What does XP link to? What I'm getting at is what could it possibly unlock in GW2? HoM is the link between GW and GW2. If the monument has no crossover purpose, it has no place in the game. As such, I'd have to say no to an XP monument unless a reasonable reward in GW2 could be unlocked.

the Puppeteer · Apr 10, 2008, 09:03 AM // 09:03

exp points is mostly the sign of how much you farmed

MithranArkanere · Apr 10, 2008, 11:33 AM // 11:33

If two characters play the same time, the one that plays more time solo will be the one with more exp.

That removes experience from the title, achievement, indicative and even apart from the other grind titles.

Can't be used for anything really. Skill points would be slightly better for that, yet still they also cannot be used.